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>   1. gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright (Kristoff Bonne)
>   2. Re: gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright (Jean-Paul Smets)
>   3. Re: gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright (Nicolas MONNET)
>   4. Re: [Freesw] Re: [Patents] gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright 
> (Patrick Goltzsch)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:36:32 +0200 (MET DST)
> From: Kristoff Bonne <kristoff@mccb.be.eu.org>
> To: patents@liberte.aful.org, Freesw@conecta.it
> Organization: Multi Computer Club Brugge (http://mccb.be.eu.org/)
> Subject: [Patents] gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright
>
> Greetings,
>
> Just a thought:
> In the 'old economy', society (usually the national states) has the right
> to 'buy up' property (land) of individuals if it serves 'the greater good'
> (e.g. to build a railway track).
> This is a generally excepted principle.
>
> So, why not extend this principle to the 'knowledge economy' and give the
> gouvernement (at national and/or European level) the right to 'buy out'
> certain patents or copyrights (at cost-price) to release it to 'the
> public', if it serves the public good. (e.g. things concerning security
> -like encryption principle or software-, or where the existence of patents
> stops further research in a certain domain, ...).
>
> But, I guess this is not a very new idea and that other people have
> already thought of this, but shouldn't this become a general
> excepted principle too.
>
> Just my 2 eurocents of thoughts.
>
> Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.
>
> *** catch-frase of the week:
> The only remedy against too-strong multinationals, are equally strong
> governements and under equally strong democratic control.
> ***
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:31:52 +0200
> From: Jean-Paul Smets <jean-paul.smets@mines.org>
> Reply-To: jean-paul.smets@mines.org
> To: Kristoff Bonne <kristoff@mccb.be.eu.org>
> Cc: patents@liberte.aful.org, Freesw@conecta.it
> Subject: Re: [Patents] gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright
>
> Kristoff Bonne wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Just a thought:
> > In the 'old economy', society (usually the national states) has the right
> > to 'buy up' property (land) of individuals if it serves 'the greater good'
> > (e.g. to build a railway track).
> > This is a generally excepted principle.
> >
> > So, why not extend this principle to the 'knowledge economy' and give the
> > gouvernement (at national and/or European level) the right to 'buy out'
> ...
> > Just my 2 eurocents of thoughts.
> >
> > Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.
> >
> > *** catch-frase of the week:
> > The only remedy against too-strong multinationals, are equally strong
> > governements and under equally strong democratic control.
> > ***
> >
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> This is not a new idea. It is a good idea. The problem is how to name it.
>         - collectivisation of public interest patents ?
>         - nationalisation of public interest patents ?
> As you see, this two terms are not so good in order to convince. I am 
> looking
> for better ones.
>
> JPS.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:49:36 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Nicolas MONNET <nico@monnet.to>
> To: Kristoff Bonne <kristoff@mccb.be.eu.org>
> Cc: patents@liberte.aful.org, Freesw@conecta.it
> Subject: Re: [Patents] gouvernement 'buy up' patents or copyright
>
> Precisely.
>
> I've read quite a few articles lately about how 3rd world country are
> trying to escape political pressure (from the US mostly but EU as well) to
> enact patent laws in order to be able to produce cheap enough AIDS
> medicine. However, they had to promise to adopt patent treaties in the
> future. But what will happen then? Will future drugs be unavailable to
> them?
>
> And now, what's the reasoning behind forbidding them from trespassing the
> law?
>
> People's lives at stake ... Now I invite you to wonder: if signing
> countries of WIPO were at war, would they bother paying patent licensing
> fees if they needed one to make a weapon?
>
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Kristoff Bonne wrote:
>
> |Just a thought:
> |In the 'old economy', society (usually the national states) has the right
> |to 'buy up' property (land) of individuals if it serves 'the greater good'
> |(e.g. to build a railway track).
> |This is a generally excepted principle.
> |
> |So, why not extend this principle to the 'knowledge economy' and give the
> |gouvernement (at national and/or European level) the right to 'buy out'
> |certain patents or copyrights (at cost-price) to release it to 'the
> |public', if it serves the public good. (e.g. things concerning security
> |-like encryption principle or software-, or where the existence of patents
> |stops further research in a certain domain, ...).
> |
> |But, I guess this is not a very new idea and that other people have
> |already thought of this, but shouldn't this become a general
> |excepted principle too.
> |
> |Just my 2 eurocents of thoughts.
> |
> |
> |Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.
> |
> |*** catch-frase of the week:
> |The only remedy against too-strong multinationals, are equally strong
> |governements and under equally strong democratic control.
> |***
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:15:49 +0200
> From: Patrick Goltzsch <Patrick.Goltzsch@Hanse.de>
> To: freesw@conecta.it
> Cc: patents@liberte.aful.org
> Subject: Re: [Freesw] Re: [Patents] gouvernement 'buy up' patents or 
> copyright
>
> >>>>> Jean-Paul Smets writes:
>
> > This is not a new idea. It is a good idea. The problem is
> > how to name it.  - collectivisation of public interest
> > patents ?  - nationalisation of public interest patents ?
> > As you see, this two terms are not so good in order to
> > convince. I am looking for better ones.
>
> The German constitution allows expropriation under certain
> circumstances. Usually the process leading up to it, is
> rather difficult and can take a long time. With a patent
> duration of 20 years, a lawsuit that takes 10 years wouldn't
> make much sense.
>
>                         Patrick
>
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