[Patents] How Bessen's paper is being distorted

[Xavier Drudis Ferran xdrudis@tinet.org]

>but I do have problems with the implementation of the current system,
>and want to see it fixed.  I do not think that is an unreasonable position
>to keep on arguing, despite Hartmut's many insults.
>
We all know, since you've tired us all showing it, that you find it 
reasonable 
for yourself to keep on arguing. But I would really like any effort by you
to find new arguments or stop arguing. I can't see any new argument in 
your posts since many many months ago (when I joined the list). I apologize 
if I have some obscure problem just with your use of English. Your arguments 
have been counter-argued by many, and you don't have to agree with your
opponents, nobody has to agree with your opponents, but once an argument 
is presented, it is either rebated with *new* arguments or evidences, or 
it is left alone. People in this list read what you say, read what others 
say, and take our own conclusions or at least take it into account. 

Saying the same more than once does not help, does not give it more weight, 
does not make it more true, more consistent or more aligned with anyones 
values. It does nothing. It is wasteful of your time and ours. 

Wasting people's time is unpleasant, and you shouldn't be surprised that 
people get angry about that. People in this list have a lot of patience 
with your repetitions, and try to explain what has already been explained 
again and again. This is what I'm doing right now, because you have already 
been called "troll" before, meaning no insult. I don't think we keep on 
arguing
with you in hope that you listen, but simply to avoid new people on the list 
seeing your arguments without reply. 

You don't seem absolutely unable to reason, although it looks to me like 
you have some problem that I don't know and keeps you from acting normally, 
or at least like most people I know would act. Anyway, once you do some 
time wasting posting, are warned of the problem, and keep reposting the same
ideas, it is not so weird to think that either you are unable to understand 
you're wasting everybody's time including yours, or you don't care. 
If one assumes you're decently intelligent, then one must assume you don't 
care about wasting everybody's time, and human nature tends to look for a 
reason to everything, so people naturally connects it with your personal 
interests, part of which happen to be in fighting trivial patents where 
you can find them. 

So don't feel insulted if somebody connects your obstination with your 
bussiness and infer bad faith. That may be wrong, it may just be 
your character, that can't stand the fact that many people on this list 
won't agree with you however sure you are that you are right. I've seen 
other people like that, they take as the most basic axiom that they are 
right, and from there assume that everybody should agree, because there is 
only one truth and they happen to know it. So anyone who does not agree 
has obviously not understood, and therefore they try to explain everything 
again. That's sometimes useful, but after a couple of iterations most 
people understand that the other has actually understood, but simply does 
not agree, and try new arguments, or stay in disagreement. You don't. 
You keep on trying to explain the same again and again. 

Well, I don't like that, and I'd beg you to stop doing it if it would be 
of any use, but it won't, since it has been tried before. 

Maybe a FAQ would be useful, trying to state clearly 
your points and other's, but only if you would agree to stop repeating them 
and just pointing people to the FAQ. Is there somebody willing to write 
that FAQ?. Would you, Greg, promise to post just a reference to the FAQ 
whenever you think some of your ideas there apply?. The rest of the people 
could do the same, but that wouldn't be needed because the same section of 
the FAQ would show your arguments and your opponents'. If you (and the rest 
of the list) do not agree to this, I see no reason to write the FAQ, even 
if someone is willing.


P.S. I've tried my best not to insult you, but I find it difficult to 
describe your behaviour without some comptent. Please excuse my inaptitude for
diplomacy. I hope anyone tells me my faults likewise (for example, messages 
too long) so that I can correct them if I agree, or at least know that 
people don't like it.

--
Xavier Drudis Ferran
xdrudis@tinet.org