[Patents] No point in everybody agreeing in a discussion

[critto@poczta.wp.pl (Krzysztof Sobolewski)]

From:                   Luuk van Dijk <lvd@mndmttr.nl>
To:                     Krzysztof Sobolewski <critto@poczta.wp.pl>
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Send reply to:          Luuk.van.Dijk@xs4all.nl
Subject:                [Patents] No point in everybody agreeing in a 
discussion
Date sent:              Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:50:54 +0200

> On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:27:45 Krzysztof Sobolewski wrote:
> > Hello,
> > dear anti-patent (anti-slavery) friends.
> > Now, when Greg is becoming more and more funny (for example, in 
> > his attacks against Pilch) maybe it's a good time to point out 
> > WHAT exactly we've lost because of his presence here, and 
> > speakiong with him.
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> Dear mr. Sobolewski,
> 
> as someone actively lobbying against swpats in the Netherlands, I wish to
> distantiate myself from your statements on this list.  

Sure, feel free to. This is the "free thought" place. Anyway, could 
you send me (on my private mail) any details of your activity ?? I 
would be pleased to know ... And to learn more.

 
> First of all I object to the identification of slavery with the patent
> system, 

You have the right to, of course. I *do not* object. We, libertarians, 
see and discriminate the few forms of slavery:
1. "chattel slavery" -- where people are treated like the objects    
(things), or like the livestock. Such slavery existed even in XIXth  
century

2. "tax slavery" -- slavery done by *every* form of taxation. When 
somebody honestly earning money must give it away for free to 
some (state's) robber, at the gunpoint, isn't he/she a slave ?? sure, 
ey is.

3. "totalitarian slavery" -- each and every totalitarian regime, as in 
People's Republic of China, or Cuba, or Iraq, *consists* a form of 
slavery; to say, it is the most cruel, inhuman and senseless form of 
that evil

4. slavery by state's regulations -- when the state decides 
*whether* I may build the house, or I may not; whether I may 
operate the post, telecommunications,  energetic, transport or 
other company, or, by a means of censorship it decides what is 
'fittable' and what 'unfittable' to print, publish, sing out or speak out, 
isn't the state 'a master' ?? surely it is !! And if it is a master, I -- as 
the opposite, submissed side, am a slave.  software patents 
belong to *this* form of slavery.

> and I do not think that the anti-lobby's arguments are better
> heard when this association is pursued in public statements, 

it depends. It depends on the good PR (Public Relations) 
campaign, which emphases the particular thinking schemes, 
stereotypes or associations. Please don't treat the public as the 
senseless sheep. People need to be *electrified* from time to time. 
It works, especially in Poland, but I'm sure that NOT only here.

> any more than
> the statement that Hitler was a vegetarian would help the meat industry.

Very bad example, of course. Hitlerism was much worse than 
slavery (except for the totalitarian form)
 
> Secondly, I am sure I speak on behalf of many readers of this list

well, please don't assume this ... may everybody speak on eir own, 
okay ?

> when I say I find Greg's contributions extremely valuable.  He often
> gives me a good run for my arguments, and he has certainly provided
> well-informed input to this whole discussion.

Maybe he informed us well, but he has also proliferated the pro-
patent propaganda; very aggressive and 'smart' (in lawyer-type) 
propaganda, to add. And, to make it clear: In any of his quarrels 
with Pilch, I am Pilch's ally. In any of his quarrels with Bernard, I'm 
on Bernard's side.

> Remember that if dissenting opinions are not heard, there is little
> use in having a discussion.  This mailinglist would only serve to preach
> for our own parish, as a Dutch saying has it.

Oh Gosh !!!  Of course I want to *hear* the dissenting opinions !!! 
Please, read the my *whole* letter again and you will know, that I 
have meant something else: I've meant, that it is a *LOSS OF 
TIME* to argue and quarrel with Mr Aharonian, to treat him as the 
enemy, when they are the *real* enemies out there. By contrast, 
he is the 'fake' enemy, to discharge our concentrated force on him.
I hope, that you understand me now ?

> AND PLEASE STOP SHOUTING.

Okay, okay, I will. In fact, I was *not* shouting, I've been only 
marking some words to make them *more visible* in the whole text.
Eh, you in Netherlands surely have a very peaceful, quiet behavior :-
)) not as we in Poland ... Come down here some day, and you will 
see:-)) !!

   Yours,
      Critto 

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