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- From: xdrudis@tinet.org (Xavi Drudis Ferran)
- Subject: [Patents] Re: 80,000 signatures
- Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:53:05 +0200
El Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:52:48PM -0400, Ronald J Riley deia:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Fleming" <Nick@bigfatpanda.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "Ronald J Riley" <rjriley@rjriley.com>
> Cc: <epo@mlist.austria.eu.net>; <patents@aful.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: 80,000 signatures
>
>
> <<Mr Riley,
> As a professional software engineer who has to deal with the very
> real problems created by the current patent system, it is abundantly
> clear to me that you do not have the slightest idea as to how
> software is actually written. (My apologies if you
> do , but it is not apparent to me in your writing).>>
>
> You are dead wrong. I have programmed with everything from in raw machine
> language without the benefit of an assembler to many high level languages.
>
> [skipping bio - C.V., in brief, Mr Riley has been programming half his life]
And you still don't understand.
You just showed me that it is possible to have something in front of you
for many years and yet don't see it. It's probably that we just have
different values.
You seem to value more the happy idea of an inspired inventor than the
hard work of many professionals. Certainly, some ideas are very brilliant,
useful, fruitful, beauty, etc. And some even could deserve some public
funded price or grant or something. But I see no correlation between
those ideas and the ideas behind patents. And there shouldn't be any
correlation. The patent system is there to provide an economic benefit
to society, to improve the collective wellfare, not to reward talented
individuals (either alone or in corporations).
I think one problem with software is that there is too many people
with brilliant ideas and too few people simply getting the work done.
The work that is more useful is rarely the most glamourous, and since
fame and honor go to people coming up with great ideas and promising
prototypes instead of going to people who actually provides solutions
for real problems within real constraints, people tend to present
everything as the next big thing, even if it is a remake of old concepts
with new hype, and users tend to get allienated and perceive that the
whole market is a big lie or an inaccessible and complex truth, both
options quite frustrating. Nobody cares for documentation, training,
user support, maintenace, quality control. Only new technologies
and acronyms are given credit.
Even though experts agree that patents do not need to be on difficult
concepts
(at least as they are now), people keep putting their patents in their
curriculum vitae, as if having obtained one was some proof of merit
or intelligence that they can't otherwise claim. Companies try to
raise money from the fact they hold a patent instead of from the fact
they are able to solve their customer's problems in a more satisfactory
way than others.
This corruption of the "moral virtues" in the field alone is
sufficient to banish software patents. I think it was Ramon's paper
that cited Joel Spolsky explaining that the important thing in a software
factory are not the ideas but getting the work done efficiently.
So don't come to me trying to tell me that you inventors are such
a brilliant and exceedingly superior people that should receive
temporary monopolies from the bulk of us as a tribute to your
greatness. This is too similar to aristocracy pretending to rule
the world because they are the most refined elite.
Creativity is all very nice and fun, but it has no relation to
patents. Even if it had:
Do you mean that since creativity is all
that very nice and fun, inventors must be
so much well prepared to compete with the rest of us that we,
patentless inferior mortals without a grain of ingenuity
in our head, who are
already in disavantage, should increase your advantage by granting
you monopolies. Do you really expect us to buy this?.
You can only expect society to grant monopolies in exchange
for some benefit to society itself (and some benefit that it
can't obtain without granting them).
Making people think how to solve a problem that has already
been solved, working around a patent, is too small a benefit to
renounce to any freedom. If the problem has already been solved,
I want people to concentrate in another yet unsolved problem,
not to reinvent the wheel or to wait idly for 20 years.
Before anybody suggests that all my arguments are equally valid
or invalid for any field, let me anticipate:
When research requires costly equipment to perform the experiments,
and it is probable that no one will expend so much money in that
equipment without the incentive of a temporary monopoly, then
society may either raise the money and buy the equipment for
a public research institution, or grant the patent. But we cannot
wait until the research is done to decide whether it was worth
for society to grant that patent, because without some certainity
that the patent will be granted no company will invest the money
to do the research. The sane way to sort this is to specify some
areas of research that are fit for patents and some that are not.
Software never requires costly equipment for experimentation, or
hardly ever, so it is not fit for patents.
Software, like music, poetry, VHDL, etc. does only require thinking
(= time) in order to do research, and investments on thinking
are too hard to evaluate (for any invention, but even more
for a whole field) to enter a patent bargain. And people does
think spontaneously to solve their problems, they don't need
so many incentives. Granting a patent to a human for an
activity that only requires thinking is like granting it to
a fish for swimming. Saying to a computer researcher, "OK,
since you have thought up
RSA, we won't use the idea for 20 years" is like saying to
a fish "Ok, since you have spent all your life swimming we
are not going to swim in this beach for 20 years". To motivate
people to think it is much more useful to set up public
research institutions or grants that allow them to think full time
and not starve or to set up Nobel prizes and the like. This
way the raw material for thought, which is other people's
thoughts, is available and unimpeded.
Patents should not be a prize for bright inventors, but an
enabler for costly experimentation.
So I'm happy that there are some bright inventors like you
may be, Riley, but I think if you are really such a big inventor
you deserve a prize, a grant or a job at a public university
if you care, not a privilege. I am happy that there are
bright inventors, but we don't need them so much as
hard workers. The time when the art and science advanced
on the shoulders of geniouses is gone. In the information
society, arts and science advance with the sweat of
less genial but much more abundant knowledge workers.
And they advance faster, so, please geniouses, get out
of the way or join the team. There's much work to do.
--
Xavi Drudis Ferran
xdrudis@tinet.org
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