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On 29 mrt 2004, at 05:40, Christian Beauprez wrote:

The fact is that human hands do not spin washing machines, it is the
software inside it (provided it has a chip etc.) If human hands spun a
washing machine in a certain way then they would have to be mentioned in the
patent claim (otherwise the invention would not work), likewise if software
implements a certain method for spinning a drum that would also have to be
in the patent claim within the description of the "method".

That's why one should look at the invention itself, and not at what is claimed. The EPC states that to be a patentable invention the innovation must be patentable subject matter (i.e., not excluded by art 52), new, non-obvious and industrially applicable. It does not state that what is claimed can be used to fulfill these conditions. Otherwise, as you have observed, you can simply claim a computer program as some electron interactions in a computer chip resulting in what you want to achieve with your computer program to get around the "computer program as such" exclusion.

So in the case of the washing process, the invention is purely the new washing process (e.g., some kind of motions which causes the stains to be removed more easily). On what applications and realisations of this washing process you want a monopoly, will then be described in the claims. These can indeed include software, manual controls etc... That's not the (patentable) invention however, there's nothing inventive nor new about controlling a washing machine using software running on an embedded computer.

In other words: your invention is your (technical) contribution to the state of the art. Your contribution is not that electrons move inside a computer chip (or the fact that you can make them move in a new way by feeding the computer chip a particular program) and it's also not that a washing machine is controlled by a computer; the only new teaching is that new washing process, so that must be your invention.

By considering the claims as a whole as "invention", you can use the software to pass the newness and inventive step requirements and the whole claimed object/process to pass the patentable subject matter and industrial applicability tests. That's what the original Commission and new Council proposal are trying to do.

"According to this, a patentable invention is a teaching for plan-conformant
action utilising controllable forces of nature for achieving a causally
overseeable result. It is beyond doubt that a rule of organisation and
calculation, as described in this patent application, constitutes an
instruction for plan-conformant action and that the execution of this
instruction leads to a causally overseeable result. "

As we can see the only differentiation they could make was that a
mathematical rule did not contain the "forces of nature" part in itself.Are
electrons not controlled forces of nature? The answer is that all technology
by definition is a controllable force of nature.

And that's why one should not look at the realisation in the real world of some innovation to determine its patentability (i.e., at what is claimed), because such a realisation indeed pretty much per definition happens using controllable forces of nature.

It's the invention, aka the contribution to the state of the art, that must teach something new about these controllable forces of nature. Writing a new computer program will never accomplish that. A computer processor and its memory may come into a new electrical configuration which they never had before by interpreting this program, but by doing that you did not teach the world something new about these electrical forces. After all, a computer chip and memory are designed to do exactly that.

This new state that the processor and its memory came into, are similar to the new "state" a piece of paper comes into by writing on it using pencil (something that no-one else has written before). Although that's a clearly physical process with physical consequences, you did not teach the world something new in the realm of physical teachings by doing this.

That's why saying that an invention is a teaching utilising controllable forces of nature excludes software: algorithms used in software can contain a teaching, but not regarding controllable forces of nature (only teachings in the logical/abstract realm). Also, a computer program can be interpreted using an existing apparatus that operates according to controllable forces of nature (a computer), but then there is no teaching present regarding these forces (since the computer is already known).

Although the court had prevented patenting of the human mind which is
admirable (it's probably up for grabs now) , they had not given a realistic
definition of what could constitute a "force of nature".

As Hartmut said, the forces of nature are quite well defined in the scientific literature. There are only 4 known forces of nature at this time (and there have been only 4 since quite a while), see e.g. <http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/forces.html>

I must say that you place a lot of emphasis on obsolete case law. It is
obsolete for a reason. These cases did not answer the question in reality of
what was patentable. They only showed admirable instincts as to why
mathematical methods should not be by talking generally about mind and
matter. But whether these methods improve the efficiency of a network or
spin a washing machine in a new way is not the issue, only the EPO have made
it one.

I fail to see how they become obsolete when trying to appreciate the patentability of a new washing method (implemented by a washing machine or not). The new washing method can be a technical teaching and can perfectly conform to the given definition. Afterwards, you can claim whatever implementation of this washing method you want, using pure mechanical parts, with a combination of software and hardware (it'd be kind of hard to wash cloths using pure software and no hardware :) or using quantum mechanics and nano-tech.

That's the nice thing about those decisions: they are completely independent from how you implement your solution to the problem (and therefore don't become obsolete as new implementation methods are developed), they only talk about what the new solution should teach the world.


Jonas





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