Re: [Patents] Re: Re: You have rights.. Software Patents are Illegal

[Flemming Bjerke <flem@Bjerke.dk>]

Onsdag den 19. maj 09:50 skrev Simo Sorce:
> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 22:27, Flemming Bjerke wrote:
> > Tirsdag 18 maj 2004 11:03 wrote Erik Josefsson about Re: [Patents] Re:
> > Re:  
> >
> > You have rights.. Software Patents are Illegal:
> > > Let me put it this way: Since you believe "information is material",
> >
> > Well, it was not exactly what I said. I said that information in a
> > computer is purely material/physical. Do you disagree? Has a computer a
> > mind? Or?
>
> Are you saying that the brain is not purely material/physical ??

Well, I simply avoided that question. (I think it goes to far astray to treat 
it here, and you should not try to answer all questions that may be raised by 
the matter.)
>
> > I said neither. I said that in a computer (or a digital storage),
> > information only exist on a carrier. Furthermore, I said that a similar
> > point of view also has been proposed concerning information in humans -
> > but that is a complicated discussion beyond the scope of the debate here.
>
> Sorry but information is much more than the carrier. Information often
> depends on the context and the form it is presented. So, while it is
> true that you need a carrier to carry information, you can not conclude
> that all the information carried reside in the carrier.
>
> The carrier is just the external aspect of the information. But, the
> internal aspect is what matter most of the time.

I fully agree concerning the contextuality of information, but this does not 
contradict the assertion: There is no infomation, if there is no carrier. (A 
statement I only have maintained in connection with computers. But, I have 
also marked that even in humans it not a statement that is simple to 
contest.)

Flemming