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- From: PILCH Hartmut <phm@a2e.de>
- To: patents@aful.org
- Subject: Gregnews rants about UK anti-swpat decisions
- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:31:24 +0100
GregNews
http://swpat.ffii.org/players/aharonian
has published some responses from readers to his latest rants about
"unscientific" decisions by UK judges to construe Art 52 EPC in a
way so that it actually excludes something.
From the dialog it appears that Greg's claim to be interpreting laws on the
basis of "scientific definitions" is gradually irritating his own patent
lawyer audience.
Here are some extracts:
----------------
[FROM A UK IP PROFESSOR]
[...]
I remember a patent agent when asked to define a technical effect said
"I can't tell you what an inventive step is but if there is one I can
feel it in my water!"
Robin Jacob is normally pretty sensible so I'll have to read the judgement
and think about it.
[FROM A GERMANY-BASED IP LAWYER, three emails from him as part of an
argument we were having.]
More aspects to factor in, when reflecting on the full text of the
Decision:
1. The EU Parliament is making a big song and dance (ever louder)
about
having ALL computer-implemented inventions Statute-barred from
patentability. Europe is a democracy, and what the EU Parliament wants
cannot be dismissed as of no consequence. As has been argued
elsewhere,
countries falling behind the pace of technological development begin
to
develop an aversion to effective patent rights.
[...]
3. England is common law territory. The judge can't go off and do
his
own research, however much you would have wished that he had done.
He has
to decide on the evidence. Are you calling the UKPTO stupid, for not
arguing to him that it should be possible to patent a iPod with a new
and inventive melody on it?
[Greg note: "scientifically stupid", YES. Management at the UK
Patent Office (hi guys!!!), much like the management at the US
Patent Office, is completely apathetic to how developments in
science and engineering in the last twenty years open up new
areas (such as the arts) to patenting because such arts are
increasingly becoming more technical, more industrial, more
functional, more structural. I have given up volunteering to
give lectures on this subject to either patent office - they
just don't care about aligning patent science policy with ...
science.]
4. Maybe the EPC was "badly written" but it seems OK to me. There
always
will be a difficult line between patentability and what is not. The
UK
Parliamentry Draftsman used to tidy up EU Statutes when putting
corresponding Bills through the UK Parliament, but that just caused
more
confusion so we don't do it any more. Read Aerotel to learn more.
Read
there what are the French and German versions of the term "business
method". They have equal weight with the English text.
Robin Jacob writes nice Decisions. Have fun spotting the areas where
he
deliberately chooses not to air the subject (I guess for "political"
reasons). But do not label him stupid please.
[Greg note: much like patent offices management, there is much
about
science and semantics Robin Jacob does not know about, or
deliberately
ignores. Calling him "stupid" is more complimentary than what
such
contempt for science should be called.]
==========
Just read your revised, polite critique of Aerotel.
In Jacob, para 16, I think the the TRIPS point "doesn't arise" because
the Court of Appeal was not asked to examine a lower court's decision
for
compliance with TRIPS, but just to examine it for compliance with the
EPC.
Again, I think Jacob did what he thought was necessary, but held back
from
doing more, for the reason I give below.
[Greg note: fine, I will file my own boundary pushing patent app
at
the UKPO, and I will raise TRIPS, amongst other things.]
The way I see it, the EPC Art 52 exclusions are easy enough to
construe.
We can see now, that Aerotel falls clearly one side of the line, and
Macrossan clearly the other side.
[Greg note: I completely disagree. The line drawn in Aerotel is
the "technical" line, and nowhere is "technical" defined for
anyone to see where the line is. And as long as "as such" goes
undefined in Article 52, Article 52 is not eash to construe,
other than as legislative nonsense.]
The EPO will now say ...
"What does England know? At our higher level, cases are much more
borderline."
... but that's only because they don't see the issues as sharply as
Robin Jacob. Whether the Art 52 exclusions make sense is another
matter
entirely. Over to you.
[...]
Reflecting overnight, I think Jacob deliberately avoids defining
"business
method", for a good positive reason. Judges who hand down definitions
of
statutory terms go down in history as having obstructed smooth
development
of the law.
[...]
In UK a Statute is "always speaking". The House of Lords (Hoffmann)
used
this recently, in a DNA case, to get to a sensible result. Giving a
2006
definition will clash with what people in 2009 think a business
method is.
The current question is always: what does the Court think the
legislator
was using the language of the Statute to mean?
[Greg note: why should scientifically illiterate judges be allowed
to determine the meaning of a scientific statute written by
scientifically illiterate legislators? That is the height of
unjust.]
--
Hartmut Pilch http://a2e.de/phm
Vice president of the FFII http://a2e.de/ffii
Protecting the Knowledge Economy from Legal Over-Regulation
- Gregnews rants about UK anti-swpat decisions, PILCH Hartmut
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